3:20
Okay, it's just gone uh quarter to two.
3:23
Um, and this is a final sort of
3:26
administrative session, I think, is how
3:29
I'm sort of describing it. Can I take it
3:31
that this session is being recorded?
3:33
Yep, guys nodding at the back. Thank
3:35
you.
3:36
uh and I think I indicated um when
3:39
setting sort of the program this is just
3:42
an opportunity for myself both with the
3:44
program officer and with the council
3:46
obviously come to the end of the stage
3:48
one hearings uh and it's just to kind of
3:50
see uh this stage just kind of broad
3:55
uh roadmap program to you know the
3:58
potential stage two um hearings which
4:01
I'm hoping we can hold uh later um this
4:05
year as indicated before we took the
4:07
break. I'm not expecting kind of details
4:10
at this stage, but I think just broad
4:12
indications as to um uh availability
4:18
issue or anything else that kind of
4:19
needs to be sort of fed into um uh our
4:23
sort of considerations for how the
4:25
examination um moves forward.
4:28
So what I'm intending to sort of cover
4:30
in this session is obviously a number of
4:32
action points have been identified uh as
4:35
the the um hearings have taken place. Um
4:39
it might be helpful if I give a bit of a
4:41
steer on the ones I see as kind of
4:44
higher priority than others if that
4:46
helps kind of focus um the council's
4:49
resources.
4:51
And then I just wanted to then move on
4:53
to just kind of broadly how how the time
4:55
frame could look or work. um in terms of
4:59
what what needs to be done and then just
5:00
just
5:02
generally the kind of the process and
5:04
what the time that needs to be um built
5:07
in.
5:08
So as we've been going along um I
5:12
started off reasonably well every day
5:14
doing a uh a record of my action notes
5:17
to Annette. Uh I think I'm relatively up
5:21
to date. There's probably a few bits and
5:23
pieces from um this morning but nothing
5:25
major. So hopefully they've fed their
5:28
way through to the council. Um by all
5:32
means if there's something that I've
5:33
missed, overlooked or potentially
5:36
misinterpreted.
5:38
Um not necessarily now, but obviously if
5:41
there's anything feed that back to
5:42
Annette and I'm more than happy to
5:44
provide a clarification or
5:47
um uh perhaps explain myself a bit
5:51
further if I need to. Um, in terms of
5:54
the action points that have been
5:55
identified, I've tried to number them
5:57
sequentially, but knowing me, I've
6:00
probably missed a number out or
6:01
duplicated a number. But, um, the ones
6:05
that I've sort of bring to the council's
6:07
attention in terms of just sort of
6:09
prioritizing at this stage
6:12
um is action point two, which is
6:15
understanding around the time frame for
6:17
the coastal mitigation strategy. I think
6:20
that'd be very helpful.
6:22
uh to me in terms of the the transition
6:24
to stage two
6:27
and then it's from my perspective it's
6:30
action point seven and eight um which is
6:34
understanding some of the site capacity
6:36
work in relation to how the council
6:38
looked at sites within the main urban
6:40
area
6:42
and then action point 8 around the
6:45
sustainability appraisal assessment and
6:47
I think it was those particular those
6:48
sites that kind of got filtered out at
6:50
regulation 18 and if there there is any
6:52
kind of
6:54
uh tidying up for one of a better phrase
6:57
to just make sure that that's all um
7:00
consistent
7:01
would be helpful prior to stage two.
7:07
Then got action point 12 which was the
7:09
ongoing threshold work with national
7:11
highways. We obviously heard from Mr.
7:14
Finch on Tuesday this week that they're
7:18
actively looking at that and I think
7:20
indicated a reasonably positive time
7:22
frame to come back to the council.
7:27
It's then action point 14
7:31
uh which was the the council's offer to
7:35
look again at compensatory improvements
7:38
and how that could fit into whether's
7:40
additional content into policy SP7.
7:44
And then finally uh action point 16
7:47
which was the agreed hopefully some form
7:49
of agreed wording around site G3 which
7:52
we discussed yesterday.
7:55
You seem to be almost within touching
7:57
distance hopefully of some agreed
8:00
wording for that site but I appreciate
8:02
it probably needs a bit more time and
8:04
attention.
8:05
uh it does and um bearing in mind the
8:08
size of the allocation
8:10
um I'm contemplating whether it might be
8:14
uh appropriate to um separate it out
8:17
from SP7 and give it its own policy
8:20
number similarly to G S uh S sp8
8:27
um which will enable us then to
8:30
articulate some finer finer grain
8:32
requirements.
8:38
Thank you. I'll leave that with the
8:39
council. I mean, that sounds like a
8:41
sensible uh way forward for that um for
8:44
that site.
8:46
Those were the kind of the immediately
8:48
the kind of action points that I thought
8:51
need earlier attention than others.
8:54
Obviously, there are other things in
8:55
there for the council to to look at, but
8:57
I think some of those are perhaps less
9:01
uh less urgent. Um,
9:04
council will recall
9:06
uh I think it was part of matter
9:09
uh two on the first day. There was
9:12
obviously been presented with kind of
9:13
various submissions about whether the
9:15
Arab uh 2014 or 2016 study in relation
9:20
to the IMP needs updating. I'm still
9:22
reflecting on that. So bear with me, but
9:24
it's not something at this stage I'm
9:26
asking the council to do. Um, but I will
9:30
uh as part of any sort of post-hering
9:32
letter clarify whether that's something
9:35
that uh would need to be done.
9:38
Um, is there anything else at this stage
9:42
from the kind of the various action
9:44
points that the council wants further
9:48
clarification on? As I say, it can be an
9:49
ongoing sort of iterative process with
9:52
the through the program officer if
9:53
anything does need
9:56
clearing clearing out clearing clearing
9:58
up. Okay,
10:03
thank you. Obviously, there's there's a
10:05
bit a bit there to do. Um
10:09
um we're obviously here on a Thursday in
10:13
July. Um, the council's probably been
10:16
working on the examination for some
10:18
time. You may have from your own
10:20
perspective and there's no criticism.
10:22
We're all human. I've heard a lot of
10:23
references to people being on holiday
10:25
already. So, I'm just mindful that we
10:27
are entering into kind of July, August,
10:30
September. Um, so we do need to kind of
10:33
be realistic about how long things will
10:36
take and kind of um, uh, be done. I'm
10:40
not anticipating the council now at this
10:43
stage, but maybe again through a net if
10:46
there's anything there that you think
10:48
could take quite a bit of time to kind
10:51
of flag that up and let let Annette know
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11:15
In fact, I I'm going to start working on
11:16
SP7A
11:18
next week. Um, but uh in terms of the
11:21
team getting together, um we are hoping
11:26
to start that process from the 28th of
11:28
this month. But we would hope on that
11:31
basis to um get something back to you
11:35
through the program officer um by the
11:38
15th of August.
11:44
We commencing 15th of August.
11:55
You're on.
11:56
I'm on. I'm on. Okay. 15th of August is
11:58
a Friday. So, um, do you mean the
12:01
following 18th? Yeah.
12:03
Would that be for all of those items?
12:22
Thank you for that. That's that's
12:23
helpful. I mean, I appreciate we we'll
12:25
have that down as a kind of a guide at
12:27
this stage. Obviously, things may
12:29
change, but that's that's helpful at
12:31
this stage.
12:33
Obviously, I need a bit of time to look
12:35
at some of that and reflect on it. Um,
12:39
and then take a view as to the timing of
12:42
the matters, issues, and questions for
12:44
stage two. It may
12:47
in some instances I might want to
12:49
revisit some of these matters that we've
12:51
already discussed because obviously the
12:54
principle the the lion share of of stage
12:57
two will be everything else that we
12:58
haven't discussed all the other sites
13:01
within the main urban area. Undoubtedly
13:04
there are other policies within the plan
13:05
that are important to the council in
13:07
terms of other other issues um we need
13:10
to uh need to go through.
13:17
My hope is we can sustain some momentum
13:20
on the plan examination. I appreciate
13:22
we've sat slightly earlier than the
13:24
council had originally um envisaged.
13:27
I think realistically working back from
13:31
uh that week in August would probably
13:36
looking at the earliest for stage two
13:38
hearings would be probably end of
13:40
October or the alternative could be the
13:43
end of November
13:45
just reflecting both the net Mrs.
13:49
and my my own availability.
13:54
I wonder whether end of November just
13:56
builds in a bit more flexibility
13:59
unless the council's no we want to
14:03
push on with
14:06
end of October
14:09
and I'll be looking at this stage
14:11
another two weeks.
14:23
Sorry. I'm involved in the St. Orin's
14:25
local plan as well and um um there's
14:29
going to be a potential for a clash
14:32
which I'm hoping to avoid. Uh those
14:34
dates are not fixed yet.
14:37
Also just a note that is obviously
14:39
October halfter half term um is the last
14:41
week of October. Um so it might be a bit
14:44
of an issue for public wanting to attend
14:46
and obviously officers as well.
14:51
So subject to Mr. to Shadow Ravian's
14:54
diary if we went for towards the end of
14:56
Octo end of November
14:59
at this stage just very broadly I think
15:02
the last two weeks of of November
15:08
I think that
15:10
we'll then build in sufficient time for
15:12
statements to be prepared further
15:16
further reflection
15:19
I think we'll still be ahead of the
15:20
council's local development scheme still
15:22
at that point. So
15:24
hopefully that's uh that's all good. In
15:28
terms of the stage two hearings just in
15:31
general terms saying to Annette for
15:33
things like the sight specific I prefer
15:36
to sit in person in a community where
15:40
people who are going to be affected by
15:42
sites can feel that they're being
15:44
listened to and it's happening in their
15:46
their area. So for certainly for the
15:48
further sites when we come to them in
15:50
the main urban area and any kind of
15:52
revisitation of strands of what we've
15:54
discussed at matter one I want to be in
15:56
South Tinside and I think there's some
15:58
development management policies that
16:00
would also benefit from being discussed
16:02
here in the burough
16:04
but for the development management
16:06
policies that perhaps got less
16:08
representations or less um
16:13
uh significant soundness issues. I'm
16:16
very comfortable about doing that via
16:18
teams or an electronic form for format.
16:21
So I'll probably be looking at a blend
16:22
of the two to kind of be more efficient,
16:26
cost efficient for the process. So
16:29
that's probably how I'm going to try and
16:32
structure stage two.
16:35
So hopefully that can work and the
16:38
council's got a teams or zoom or
16:41
something that we can use. Yep.
16:50
Okay, good. Is there anything else in
16:52
relation to a potential time frame for
16:55
stage two I might need to be aware of
16:58
before I do something rash like commit
17:00
myself to an inquiry somewhere?
17:05
Okay,
17:07
thank you. There's nothing else on that
17:09
before I uh
17:12
leave the room uh today this afternoon.
17:15
Can I just say to the matter of public
17:18
record to thank the council for
17:20
organizing these hearings and for being
17:22
in the venue uh this last two weeks. I
17:24
think it's worked really well as a
17:26
venue. I think it's been good that it's
17:28
been accessible particularly to some of
17:30
the communities that are closest to some
17:32
of the issues uh that we've been
17:34
discussing. I appreciate these things
17:36
are never easy or straightforward to
17:39
organize and pull together. So, uh,
17:42
thank you to the council for doing that.
17:43
And as I say, it's obviously been a
17:45
slightly earlier than perhaps you were
17:47
envvisaging. So, that's that's been good
17:48
andos veryospitable
17:51
hospitable here at the hotel. So, thank
17:54
you for that. And I just I will say
17:57
something further at the end, but in the
17:58
mean at this early stage, I am grateful
18:01
that the council engaged Annette Feny. I
18:04
think as an inspector,
18:06
it makes
18:08
one's job, one life that much easier to
18:12
have a professional program officer who
18:13
knows what they're doing. And I know all
18:16
the work that Annette does behind the
18:18
scenes that people don't see engaging
18:20
with people. So, thank you, Annette, and
18:22
thank you for the council for
18:24
We
18:27
thank you very much for the money.
18:31
Thank you. I'm going to be spending the
18:33
next two weeks reflecting on everything
18:36
I've heard. Um, I'll be preparing a sort
18:39
of post hearings letter that kind of
18:41
pulls together where I think some of the
18:44
issues are going that may identify where
18:46
on reflection I think there may be some
18:48
further main modifications for the
18:50
council to consider or possibly
18:52
additional work. So, for example,
18:54
whether I feel we do need to update the
18:56
Arab. So, that will be in in that
18:58
letter. Uh, obviously given where we
19:01
are, I suspect I cannot issue that
19:04
letter myself. It will need to go
19:06
through a a clearance process, but I'm
19:08
hoping that will be in a matter of
19:09
weeks, not months. Yeah. Okay. Okay.
19:13
Thank you everybody. That concludes uh
19:15
the stage one uh hearing sessions. Thank
19:18
you.
19:18
Thank you very much.